My Dearest Martian Community,
A few users notified me of recent Martian events, and I feel an obligation to speak about them, as a moderator of Mars Explorer and the administrator of Terrium. I hope to address all the concerns regarding these matters patiently and reasonably. My intention for writing this letter is to let you know my verdict on it all.
For those of you unaware, _ACE_ admitted to hacking a couple weeks ago. His ability to manipulate servers is a function of using the complete source code that Aubrey released and the Unity editor to alter gameplay.
Before I share my input, I would like to report the general status of Terrium, the successor to Mars Explorer. We (I speak on behalf of all the developers of Terrium) are nowhere near ready for a game release. There is much core development left to do, including updating the networking and assets, and we are on a development hiatus until early December. Due to Terrium's current state, beginning to advertise the game has not even crossed our minds. With that in mind, please consider that Terrium has no affiliation with the recent events on Mars.
Now you may be asking, "But how could you allow such behavior of a developer, who represents Terrium, and therefore the Mars Explorer community? Are there going to be any consequences?" I will address consequences first.
Technically, hacking Mars as _ACE_ did is acceptable. Aubrey chose to release the game's full source code with no restrictions on its use to play the official game. Therefore, _ACE_ has hacked legally and on Aubrey's terms, which is just under the Creative Commons license. Although disturbing to some, ACE's actions have also not been harmful to anyone. Hence there is no necessary punishment for him. Hacking Mars Explorer as _ACE_ did may be frowned upon, but it is allowed.
Morally, _ACE_'s choice to hack public Mars servers was wrong, as it was devious and vindictive in nature. By listening to private conversations on Mars, he eavesdropped. Additionally, by tampering with public game servers, he attacked the community. Despite how benign his hacking was, it was done with bad intentions, and therefore is immoral.
A week ago, after Kruncher notified me of _ACE_'s hacking, I reprimanded _ACE_ and shared my concerns on the matter. I also told him why I would not punish him if he chose to keep hacking Mars. Evidently, _ACE_ has chosen to continue hacking, which disappoints me, but is his rightful choice. Now the question remains, "How could you allow such behavior of a developer, who represents Terrium, and therefore the Mars Explorer community?"
First of all, _ACE_ is a programmer under my management. His actions do not impact the way I run Terrium. For example, he is neither a moderator nor administrator. We, as partners and friends, have faith in each other to successfully produce Terrium. Despite his shortcomings, I fully trust _ACE_ as a developer. His work never lets me down.
Regarding kruncher, it is saddening to see yet another formidable figure of the Mars Explorer community capitulate to the Martian drama. However, this does not excuse him from inappropriate behavior. Fortunately, I was able to read his comments in the Mars Apocalypse thread, and since he left them unhidden this time, I shall address his "last ditch effort to send a palpable message" to me.
"The fact that Terrium's admin allows this AND expects to advertise here to recruit users is a matter of his own obliviousness and greediness to get his game working. You're free to accept this dirty deal, if you so choose. I honestly won't fault you for it. IMO, no game is worth this level of compromise. Especially not a game that lacks the soul and charm that only Mars Explorer possesses."
Kruncher referred to me as the "Terrium Admin" several times in his posts, and he also called _ACE_ a representative of Terrium. While this may be true, it was a desperate and distasteful attempt to use Terrium as leverage to stop _ACE_. I disagree with his approach for the following reasons:
1. He started to hide my Terrium-related posts in order to gain my attention because "[I] can reinstate any post and should definitely share in the inconveniences that [my] team of ghouls have brought to good Martians." He says "team of ghouls," but I presume he means _ACE_ only because GTR34 has been inactive, and he does not even know the composer, a personal friend of mine. And I actually have experienced direct hacks before I knew who the hacker was – my vehicle kept being deleted in a server, for example. I do not see the relevance this has to my Terrium posts, though, so I hope they will remain untouched.
2. As I discussed earlier, _ACE_'s poor choice to hack Mars has no influence on the direction I am taking Terrium.
3. Kruncher and I had been diplomatically communicating about _ACE_'s hacking via private messages. If kruncher had notified me again when _ACE_ continued hacking, instead of attacking the whole Terrium development team on this forum, I would have told him why I ultimately decided to take no action against _ACE_. I do not consider this choice to be oblivious and greedy.
I also disagree with kruncher's forum moderation decision that involves letting Oinky's spam stay as long as _ACE_ continues to hack Mars Explorer. It is not fair to force all forum users to deal with spam because of the actions of one. Furthermore, Kruncher is demonizing _ACE_ for something in which _ACE_ has no involvement.
Lastly, some of Kruncher's comments were directed at individual users in an impassioned, insulting, and contemptuous way, doing nothing to remedy anything. Here are a few examples:
"You will need far more than an attitude adjustment to ever fit in or feel that you belong with any decent group of humans. You have not yet humanized hence you have no tribe."
"Noob it up, buttercup. Kill that which does not love you."
"I allowed you to participate thought you offer no contribution. You're welcome."
Despite all of this, kruncher was a good Martian friend of mine, and I am sorry that continuously growing tension ruined our friendship. I wish kruncher a healthy, happy life on Earth.
Now I conclude this letter, reminding my brethren that I want the best for Mars Explorer. I am still on leave, as per my "Enough is Enough" thread. I will return when Terrium is completed. Terrium is the third attempt for the future of Mars Explorer, and third time's the charm – you will not be disappointed. I look forward to the betterment of our community and a prosperous future. Thank you for taking the time to read this letter in its entirety.
Sincerely,
Eric
P.S. For the sake of a historical archive, the following are all of my threads regarding Terrium, including why it is being developed: "The Future of Mars," "The Future of Mars – Updates and To Do List," "Aubrey's Message on the Future of Mars," and "Enough is Enough."
EDIT (Oct. 3, 2014): After taking a fresh look at this thread, I thought I would share something about which I should have been more clear. I adamently do not support _ACE_'s choice to hack Mars Explorer, but because _ACE_ was playing a crucial role in the development of Terrium (the successor to Mars Explorer), and because his actions were not egregious, I chose not to kick him off the team. There were more factors to consider than just weighing the right versus the wrong. Regardless, I am happy to say that _ACE_ has grown from this experience and is, in my opinion, a better man than he was a year ago.

I understand that people are going to be mad about the hackings, but I believe this is going too far. Ace at least spoke for himself and apologized for what he did. He explained everything he did and didn't do. He hasn't given out any personal information, left rude comments on the forum directed towards anyone out of anger, and to be honest, really hasn't done anything bad. Yes, he did join games and not say who he really was. But what is the big deal?! I find it amazing that this bugs you the most. What is being said that you are so mad and butt hurt about? Anyway, that's none of our business, and we could care less to know.
I am not pointing fingers or putting anyone down about anything on here. But you gotta balance everything out. A few people are saying this is "Kruncher vs. Ace." So, this will be your balance beam. I have already explained everything about Ace. Now, to talk about Kruncher. Again, I'm not putting anyone down or being rude. This is what happened.
Kruncher has been evicting/banning people, giving out personal information, making rude comments to particular people on the forum, has pointed his finger at a few people to who he thought was the hacker before knowing it was Ace, has been hiding comments he has made, been going to random posts and deleting comments from there, hiding posts about Terrium, and then leaves on a bad note.
Now, balance these two. Which is worse? I am NOT saying that either one is innocent. Ace has admitted that what he has done was wrong and apologized. But why is this worse? He did what you wanted. Told the truth and apologized. But Kruncher refuses to believe he has done anything wrong. But that is supposed to be right? How is that fair?!
In order for things to stop being repeated, we have to start looking at everyone's perspective, because there are a few people here who just don't get it. We gotta learn to understand everything that happens. The whole community is being punished over and over again by the constant bickering, arguments, fights, wars, rants, complaining, drama, whatever you want to call it! Why do we keep doing the same thing over and over again?
This isn't fair to all of us. We are supposed to be a community. Instead, were just a few people picking sides and throwing words at each other, and some of us don't even know why! We just do it because we see everyone else do it. We need to start working together. We all want a better Mars, but we keep making it worse. It especially doesn't help when you have a noob with a million and one names posting things that are complete nonsense, sending inappropriate things to people via private messages, youtube videos are on a bunch of different posts, and inappropriate comments on the forum. I'm sorry but... WTF is with that? Anyway, this comment was not meant to put anyone down, and I apologize if this could be taken the wrong way.
@Abister, r u fucking kidding me? Since when r u even involved n all this?
Its like highschool drama exept on a forum meant to share and HELP the community. Everyone picks the group their gonna b in and when drama hits they get on their high horse. Then theres the ones that just voice their opinions and dont have a group, theres the ones that flame the situation to keep it interesting so that the "excitment"(AKA: fuck ass drama) can stay alive. Theres ones that watch and dont give a damn or do anything. So theres several groups to choose from and from what i've seen i can easily place moon, eric, ace, kruncher, oinky, abister, ender, dogwalker, monkee, lavalamp18, myself and a few others n categories. I wont do it now cuz that may start up yet another drama skit and we dont want that do we? Have fun:)
-Kiaree14
- No me and thus no game. Eric can't go it alone same as I couldn't without him.
- Me, but no you. And maybe no "other people" either.
- You and me together on the game. ie you grow up a bit and read what Eric said about this "hacking."
So, you tell me which one is the least selfish and best for all of us? Yep, call me a hypocrite, that's fine.
I'll take it upon myself and apologise for the angry comments already thrown at you by "my supporters." If we all manage to avoid getting emotional we can avoid a fight. :)
No. I refuse to play a game where the lead programmer hacks and destroys another. You guys are lucky that you have so many suck ups to back you up. What you have done here has been immature, childish, and, I can't believe I am saying this, troll-like.
You are no longer welcome here. Get out.
No. I refuse to play a game where the lead programmer hacks and destroys another. You guys are lucky that you have so many suck ups to back you up. What you have done here has been immature, childish, and, I can't believe I am saying this, troll-like.
You are no longer welcome here. Get out.
He needs to get out? Ur the one who just said u refuse, so y dont u leave?
I seriously don't understand how you rationalize what ACE has done. It's actually kind of scary how you think hard work = permission to do what ever the hell you want.
Oh idk...
Look im not looking to argue with anymore players but ur making no sense. Ur saying that ur leaving yet telling ace to get the hell out. I understand y u would think that but once u understand the WHOLE thing then maybe it'll change. Ur choice whether to listen to me or not, i dont care but im dont with all the bitching and complaining, its getting old.
The way you justify ACE's actions is actually quite alarming. With your logic Hitler is OK with the holocaust, 9/11 wasn't a problem, and every criminal to ever exist should be set free.
Ace isnt threatening lives or killing people. Hes not threatening humanity or going to destroy the world so get off your high horse and chill. Is that english enough for you?
From my perspective (just coming in and having a conversation with both Eric and lavalamp), it looked like this was a personal endeavor by ACE to get rid of kruncher, or at least shut him up. And since there was no chance of the latter happening, the result was kruncher's departure. Now, I don't know ACE all that well, and I'm sure I'm going to get negative feedback for what I'm gonna say next, but lavalamp was telling me and Eric about how much of a dick ACE was NORMALLY. One quote that I can specifically remember lava saying about ACE was as follows: "It's almost impossible to have a rational conversation with him. I've tried and failed many times." Of course, this may just be someone else's opinion, but if it's really that bad, then it's just as bad as with kruncher, if not worse. He's like Steve Jobs. A massive dick, but without him, Apple wouldn't exist. Now, ACE isn't THAT important, but the game won't really work very well without him unless Eric could manage to find a new guy. The chances of that are almost naught.
Honestly, I'm in favor of Terrium. I think that it could be a great follow-up to Mars Explorer. But with this kind of atmosphere surrounding it, I just don't think it will work without some divine intervention.
MAKE THAT PHONE CALL, BUB.
Yes, he may have made some bad decisions, but I believe hacking a game is far worse than anything Kruncher has ever done.
Your kidding me if you say things are different now.
"(_ACE_) has chosen to continue hacking, which disappoints me, but is his rightful choice."
No sign that he has stopped. Also, I wasn't here for the last time Mars was hacked, so I wasn't there to give my input. And I do not believe it was any of the developers that did it, either. So yes, this is much different because ACE is expected to have a higher moral standard than he has displayed.
I don't see it. People act like a friend on the forum, but as soon as you get on the game, people talk about you. Why do you think no one wants to play the game? Why do you think people are leaving?...
My point:
NOTHING NEW!!!! It happened n the past and its happening now, go figure
Just because someone is good at one task does not give them the right to do what ever they want.
In this case, _ACE_ is a good programmer. That does not give him the right to hack another game, especially when that game is the parent of the game he is currently developing.
My comparisons were made to demonstrate how rationalizing his actions the way you have been is irrational. Just because he works hard developing Terrium does not give him the right to hack Mars Explorer.
This makes perfect sense because this game is obviously Terrium and everyone here is for Terrium and everyone wants to play Terrium and Terrium is the best Terrium and Terrium is all that Terrium matters Terrium Terrium is the light Terrium is heaven Terrium is good
You say you honestly can't see why any rational person would play Terrium. You call this post rational? I can forgive Mad, he's always been extremely shortsighted and kind of insane (hence his name), but you seem like you might know what you're talking about once in a while. but there IS a reason that Eric wants to keep him in. Despite even Eric's own dislike of the guy, he's the only one that the poor dude knows who can actually MAKE the game. Do YOU know anyone who could or would do it? I know someone who COULD, but they're far too busy to actually do it. I'm not defending ACE in the slightest; in fact, I wish he WAS off the development team of Terrium. But unless he REALLY fucks up (In a defy-the-Cybermen type way), then he's staying until it's finished.
P.S. I'm going to ignore Mad because his posts are irrational and intent on stirring up flame. If he stops being irate and, well... MAD, then maybe I'll respond to his comments. This is a message to you all, by the way. Unless you want another flame war, ignore posts made of pure hate like Mad's are right now.
You have restored my faith in this community.
Thank you.
The fact that he's our only hope does not give him the right to do whatever he wants. We have no way to punish him, only disapproval. What Ace did was wrong. But he's really the only person good for the job on Mars, unless you know of someone of his talent and skill.
I defend both Eric, Ace, and Terrium. I do agree that Ace has done wrong, but as Eric said, it isn't illegal. It IS up to Aubrey.
You can justify Kruncher being a dick. He was always like that, and being a moderator just made it more stressful, making him even more of a dick. He was paranoid. But you CAN'T justify ACE hacking. That's just not something that people try to get behind. If you're defending ACE's position as developer, fine. But don't defend him as a person, because that person is nowhere near the best of humanity. He would have most certainly killed the Silurian.
Krunch is paranoid, and that's just as inexcusable as Ace being extremely emotionally immature with anger and impulsivity issues, perhaps moreso because Krunch doesn't seek treatment and Ace does but doesn't receive it.
I don't think we should defend Ace, but we shouldn't defend Krunch either. EDIT: I thought of a better analogy for Ace for you though! Ace is the Time Lord Victorious. This fits SO WELL I can't even like explain how amazing it is. Ace is the Time Lord Victorious!
That's the slightly longer version of what Abister said. The biggest ones, IMO, are perpetuating the rivalry (which doesn't sound as bad as it is) and blaming Ace for taking down Terrium posts. Would anyone else like to help explain what he did in case I missed anything?
Ace is Time Lord Victorious, eh? Eh? Eh? No? *sigh*
Meanwhile, in reply to this, I want you to rationally explain what exactly it is that Ace did.
On a slightly different note: CHRIST. Honestly, all that sounds worse than what I know about ACE. I apologize for making assumptions and any posts I've made up to this point that put Kruncher in a more positive light than ACE. However, they are both equally at fault; Kruncher for being the catalyst to a massive explosion, and ACE for BEING that massive explosion. I can see clearly now. The rain is gone. I can see all lobsters in my way.
-hacked games with hosts' permissions (not morally wrong)
-hacked games without hosts' permissions
-logged the chats in the games he's hacked, whether they've known it or not
-perpetuated the rivalry and flamed a bunch of people
-attempted to blackmail me
-un-passworded passworded games and left them un-passworded, not letting the host change the setting
-flamed a bunch of people
Ace's side is no better, and I consider it worse than what Kruncher has done.
Yes, I am defending his position as a developer. I will defend him as a person, because HE IS A PERSON! You will not dehumanize him, just because he made a mistake and your so called buddies and you don't like it. What does being human or humanity have to do with this at all?
You act like it is oh so sickening... would you compare this to the same amount of sickening as someone trying to have role play sex on here?... Oh, I got you on that one. Of course not.
By saying he is absolutely nothing is bizarre. By saying he amounts to nothing, especially a human being, shows that you are not a human either. That was COMPLETELY uncalled for.
All of us are taking this situation WAY too seriously. We are not even paying attention to what were saying.
I defend who I want to defend, regardless of whatever you and your friends are saying and thinking. That, my friend, was low.
SPOILERS PARAGRAPH: In Doctor Who, there is an episode where an alien (not really an alien, but an ancient Earth-born reptile thing who's civilization was hibernating underneath the Earth until a drill disturbed them) that was captured by the humans after it's race took two of their own. The Doctor goes down under the Earth to try to make peace with them, and tells the humans that they must be the best of humanity, that they must not harm the Silurian (what they were called) in any way. One of them threatens the Silurian because she's insecure and scared and wants to know where the Silurian's taken her son, but this particular Silurian wants to START a war, not prevent it, and taunts the poor mother into shooting her. This is disappointing to the other two humans on the surface and the three humans, the Doctor, and the Silurian civilization under the surface immensely, proving that the humans are not ready for a planet co-inhabited by Silurians and humans alike.
Kruncher may be just as bad, if not worse. I don't know, I don't know much about what he did. Being human, if you do watch Doctor Who, is having the capability to make mistakes, feel bad (or good) about them and whatnot. Neither Kruncher nor ACE ever apologized, so clearly, they make more mistakes than the best of humanity.
And I'm sorry, it's not my place to tell you who you can and can't defend. First mistake all week. It just proves that I'm human. I think we can put our differences behind us.
It's fine, though. We all make mistakes. EDIT: Lol, I love the sound clip.
-Kiaree14
@Cyber - How much moderator work you have performed for your "dearest martian community" in the last few months? Or, did you only restore posts that help you?
"Dearest Martian community" indeed.
Now, regarding accusations of my wrong-doings during the spam attack.
Who here tried to subvert my so-called criminal actions by contacting another mod to help by Skype? Kik? PM? email? No? No one? You did however take the time to blame me, as if I had posted the spam myself. That's not very supportive now, is it?
Who here tried to contact the person who's actually responsible for this website? Just me? I see, then. So, no admin support here and kruncher is basically treated as your incompetent parent that got your sandwich order wrong. Shame on me?
Has anyone here thanked Picard for deleting the next wave of spam? No? Just Sv3n and myself thanked him? I see. Maybe spam isn't as important as some of you claim unless it's another opportunity to gang up on kruncher. Ahh now, we're getting somewhere.
Yeah, I'm editing my comments. It's everyone's right to do so. Too bad.
And lastly, I offer you all a screenshot to view. It shows what my mod interface looked like during most of the spam attack. I would be very appreciative if someone could show me what buttons I was supposed to push to manage 100% of the spam.
Also, ACE, use your own account please! Kiaree isn't your bitch....
Look, we will forgive you if you change your password and evict him. Puppeting through another person's account is far worse than creating some new guy. You don't have to do everything he says, you know. The only person that looks bad here is him.
Forgive me? I didnt do anything wrong. I said it, not ace or anyone else.
And i dont do everything he says, i do have a mind of my own ya know. I say my opinion, he doesnt say mine. My account has not been used by any other person so u can get that out of your head right now.
Obviously, you still haven't gotten the big picture. In fact, I think the only one here who really understands might be Ender. Kruncher, though he may not have directly caused the bomb to explode, certainly instigated it. He shares almost as much fault in this as does ACE.
Is it so hard for you to understand that? He's not innocent. In fact, in his post he DIRECTLY STATED that he enjoys the flame on this site. That makes him little better than Mad, a guy who only returned for the drama and flame. I'm not going to tell you you're shortsighted, but I'm just surprised you are failing to see both sides of the argument.
Sheesh, and you gave me hope for a while there. I thought there may have been another player who didn't assume things about other players, but I guess I was wrong.
I figured you weren't seeing kruncher as someone who looked bad. You sure as hell sounded like you were implying that ACE was the only one. If I was wrong, then I'm sorry.
God, now I remember why I used to stay away from community forums. There's always this one massive argument that you go into, feeling like you already understand everything, and you type a few good posts. Then you get into the argument, and soon start making idiotic assumptions. This, in turn, almost always leads to you looking like a huge dick in front of everyone else.
I will say this, though. You assume things about other players as well, notably Kiaree. You've continuously made the assumption that she's not speaking of her own accord, when she very well may be.
I'm going to be gone for the majority of the weekend. That may give me time for my head to cool down. When I come back, hopefully I won't be making insults. They're turning me into the very thing which I've been seeking to end on Mars: they've made me biased.
email sent sep 9
Aub'z, some of us diehard members would really like to see the site survive in order for it to thrive again some day. The spam is kluging some entire page UIs and if it stays, I believe other spammers will consider it as open territory.
If you would please take some time to:
1) Appoint trusted, willing members (Ender) and (Sv3n) as mods
2) Deactivate (kruncher) 's mod ability - It's been an honor but I simply can't take it anymore.
3) Delete some of the heavy spam-my hide button jumps away from my cursor and some pages take minutes to load
4) Consider doing something about (Monkee) spam account and accounts associated with Monkee IP if no proxy was used.
What I WOULD have done was listened to the community of Mars; I would have allowed them to give me advice, and I wouldn't have "punished" the community by leaving any amount of spam on the website for any amount of time. I wouldn't have gotten tired of an asshole's attitude and hacking, because I wouldn't have associated with him when I could avoid it. I would have been reasonable, and I would have tried to make good decisions, not ones that I knew would degrade the community as a whole. In short, I wouldn't have let my emotions gain control of my actions and words, something Kruncher's always done without hesitation. Telling people they don't deserve to call themselves human just because they don't post anything useful, telling them that the only reason their posts don't get hidden is because I "allow" them to stay, flipping shit because people want to be social in-game and whatnot... well, it's clear to ME that the forums aren't a safe place to be social. My point: I wouldn't cause trouble or allow ACE to get to me. That way, I probably wouldn't even have to worry about the guy, and would only have to worry about the pricks who think it's funny to spam the site all to hell, in turn not only being better for my own image, but also being much more efficient.
inb4 i get insulted for no reason whatsoever.
"Dearest Martian community" indeed.
Now, regarding accusations of my wrong-doings during the spam attack.
Who here tried to subvert my so-called criminal actions by contacting another mod to help by Skype? Kik? PM? email? No? No one? You did however take the time to blame me, as if I had posted the spam myself. That's not very supportive now, is it?
Who here tried to contact the person who's actually responsible for this website? Just me? I see, then. So, no admin support here and kruncher is basically treated as your incompetent parent that got your sandwich order wrong.
Shame on me?
Has anyone here thanked Picard for deleting the next wave of spam? No? Just Sv3n and myself thanked him? I see.Maybe spam isn't as important to you as some of you claim. Unless it's another opportunity to gang up on kruncher. Ahh now, we're getting somewhere.
Yeah, I'm editing my comments. It's everyone's right to do so.
And lastly, I offer you all a screenshot to view. It shows what my mod interface looked like during most of the spam attack. I would be very appreciative if someone could show me what buttons I was supposed to push to manage 100% of the spam.
