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My Address to the Community of Mars Explorer
Submitted By TheCyberMan on 13/09/23
Mars Explorer, TheCyberMan, Community, Eric, Address, Terrium 

My Dearest Martian Community,

 

A few users notified me of recent Martian events, and I feel an obligation to speak about them, as a moderator of Mars Explorer and the administrator of Terrium. I hope to address all the concerns regarding these matters patiently and reasonably. My intention for writing this letter is to let you know my verdict on it all.

For those of you unaware, _ACE_ admitted to hacking a couple weeks ago. His ability to manipulate servers is a function of using the complete source code that Aubrey released and the Unity editor to alter gameplay.

Before I share my input, I would like to report the general status of Terrium, the successor to Mars Explorer. We (I speak on behalf of all the developers of Terrium) are nowhere near ready for a game release. There is much core development left to do, including updating the networking and assets, and we are on a development hiatus until early December. Due to Terrium's current state, beginning to advertise the game has not even crossed our minds. With that in mind, please consider that Terrium has no affiliation with the recent events on Mars.

Now you may be asking, "But how could you allow such behavior of a developer, who represents Terrium, and therefore the Mars Explorer community? Are there going to be any consequences?" I will address consequences first.

Technically, hacking Mars as _ACE_ did is acceptable. Aubrey chose to release the game's full source code with no restrictions on its use to play the official game. Therefore, _ACE_ has hacked legally and on Aubrey's terms, which is just under the Creative Commons license. Although disturbing to some, ACE's actions have also not been harmful to anyone. Hence there is no necessary punishment for him. Hacking Mars Explorer as _ACE_ did may be frowned upon, but it is allowed.

Morally, _ACE_'s choice to hack public Mars servers was wrong, as it was devious and vindictive in nature. By listening to private conversations on Mars, he eavesdropped. Additionally, by tampering with public game servers, he attacked the community. Despite how benign his hacking was, it was done with bad intentions, and therefore is immoral.

A week ago, after Kruncher notified me of _ACE_'s hacking, I reprimanded _ACE_ and shared my concerns on the matter. I also told him why I would not punish him if he chose to keep hacking Mars. Evidently, _ACE_ has chosen to continue hacking, which disappoints me, but is his rightful choice. Now the question remains, "How could you allow such behavior of a developer, who represents Terrium, and therefore the Mars Explorer community?"

First of all, _ACE_ is a programmer under my management. His actions do not impact the way I run Terrium. For example, he is neither a moderator nor administrator. We, as partners and friends, have faith in each other to successfully produce Terrium. Despite his shortcomings, I fully trust _ACE_ as a developer. His work never lets me down.

Regarding kruncher, it is saddening to see yet another formidable figure of the Mars Explorer community capitulate to the Martian drama. However, this does not excuse him from inappropriate behavior. Fortunately, I was able to read his comments in the Mars Apocalypse thread, and since he left them unhidden this time, I shall address his "last ditch effort to send a palpable message" to me.

"The fact that Terrium's admin allows this AND expects to advertise here to recruit users is a matter of his own obliviousness and greediness to get his game working. You're free to accept this dirty deal, if you so choose. I honestly won't fault you for it. IMO, no game is worth this level of compromise. Especially not a game that lacks the soul and charm that only Mars Explorer possesses."

Kruncher referred to me as the "Terrium Admin" several times in his posts, and he also called _ACE_ a representative of Terrium. While this may be true, it was a desperate and distasteful attempt to use Terrium as leverage to stop _ACE_. I disagree with his approach for the following reasons:

1. He started to hide my Terrium-related posts in order to gain my attention because "[I] can reinstate any post and should definitely share in the inconveniences that [my] team of ghouls have brought to good Martians." He says "team of ghouls," but I presume he means _ACE_ only because GTR34 has been inactive, and he does not even know the composer, a personal friend of mine. And I actually have experienced direct hacks before I knew who the hacker was – my vehicle kept being deleted in a server, for example. I do not see the relevance this has to my Terrium posts, though, so I hope they will remain untouched.

2. As I discussed earlier, _ACE_'s poor choice to hack Mars has no influence on the direction I am taking Terrium.

3. Kruncher and I had been diplomatically communicating about _ACE_'s hacking via private messages. If kruncher had notified me again when _ACE_ continued hacking, instead of attacking the whole Terrium development team on this forum, I would have told him why I ultimately decided to take no action against _ACE_. I do not consider this choice to be oblivious and greedy. 

I also disagree with kruncher's forum moderation decision that involves letting Oinky's spam stay as long as _ACE_ continues to hack Mars Explorer. It is not fair to force all forum users to deal with spam because of the actions of one. Furthermore, Kruncher is demonizing  _ACE_ for something in which _ACE_ has no involvement.

Lastly, some of Kruncher's comments were directed at individual users in an impassioned, insulting, and contemptuous way, doing nothing to remedy anything. Here are a few examples: 

"You will need far more than an attitude adjustment to ever fit in or feel that you belong with any decent group of humans. You have not yet humanized hence you have no tribe."
"Noob it up, buttercup. Kill that which does not love you."
"I allowed you to participate thought you offer no contribution. You're welcome."

Despite all of this, kruncher was a good Martian friend of mine, and I am sorry that continuously growing tension ruined our friendship. I wish kruncher a healthy, happy life on Earth.

Now I conclude this letter, reminding my brethren that I want the best for Mars Explorer. I am still on leave, as per my "Enough is Enough" thread. I will return when Terrium is completed. Terrium is the third attempt for the future of Mars Explorer, and third time's the charm – you will not be disappointed. I look forward to the betterment of our community and a prosperous future. Thank you for taking the time to read this letter in its entirety.

  

Sincerely,

 

Eric

 

P.S. For the sake of a historical archive, the following are all of my threads regarding Terrium, including why it is being developed: "The Future of Mars," "The Future of Mars – Updates and To Do List," "Aubrey's Message on the Future of Mars," and "Enough is Enough."

 

EDIT (Oct. 3, 2014): After taking a fresh look at this thread, I thought I would share something about which I should have been more clear. I adamently do not support _ACE_'s choice to hack Mars Explorer, but because _ACE_ was playing a crucial role in the development of Terrium (the successor to Mars Explorer), and because his actions were not egregious, I chose not to kick him off the team. There were more factors to consider than just weighing the right versus the wrong. Regardless, I am happy to say that _ACE_ has grown from this experience and is, in my opinion, a better man than he was a year ago.

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Re: My Address to Mars
1 hour - 105v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 5:49 GMT
hey man... that's hurtful.
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1 hour - 52v
Posted 2013/09/24 - 19:22 GMT
nope
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4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 7:37 GMT
I am boycotting everything related to Terrium until ACE is removed from the development team.
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1 day - 5,491v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 19:35 GMT
Hear, hear. What Ace did was totally unacceptable.
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3 hours - 275v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 8:32 GMT
And again... it begins...
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Re: My Address to Mars
3 hours - 275v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 9:36 GMT
You know what? That is ridiculous! Eric, Ace, and GTR have been working really hard on developing Terrium. They are doing this for everyone. Eric is paying for it, and all three are using their own time to work on it! It is a big work in progress.

I understand that people are going to be mad about the hackings, but I believe this is going too far. Ace at least spoke for himself and apologized for what he did. He explained everything he did and didn't do. He hasn't given out any personal information, left rude comments on the forum directed towards anyone out of anger, and to be honest, really hasn't done anything bad. Yes, he did join games and not say who he really was. But what is the big deal?! I find it amazing that this bugs you the most. What is being said that you are so mad and butt hurt about? Anyway, that's none of our business, and we could care less to know.

I am not pointing fingers or putting anyone down about anything on here. But you gotta balance everything out. A few people are saying this is "Kruncher vs. Ace." So, this will be your balance beam. I have already explained everything about Ace. Now, to talk about Kruncher. Again, I'm not putting anyone down or being rude. This is what happened.

Kruncher has been evicting/banning people, giving out personal information, making rude comments to particular people on the forum, has pointed his finger at a few people to who he thought was the hacker before knowing it was Ace, has been hiding comments he has made, been going to random posts and deleting comments from there, hiding posts about Terrium, and then leaves on a bad note.

Now, balance these two. Which is worse? I am NOT saying that either one is innocent. Ace has admitted that what he has done was wrong and apologized. But why is this worse? He did what you wanted. Told the truth and apologized. But Kruncher refuses to believe he has done anything wrong. But that is supposed to be right? How is that fair?!

In order for things to stop being repeated, we have to start looking at everyone's perspective, because there are a few people here who just don't get it. We gotta learn to understand everything that happens. The whole community is being punished over and over again by the constant bickering, arguments, fights, wars, rants, complaining, drama, whatever you want to call it! Why do we keep doing the same thing over and over again?

This isn't fair to all of us. We are supposed to be a community. Instead, were just a few people picking sides and throwing words at each other, and some of us don't even know why! We just do it because we see everyone else do it. We need to start working together. We all want a better Mars, but we keep making it worse. It especially doesn't help when you have a noob with a million and one names posting things that are complete nonsense, sending inappropriate things to people via private messages, youtube videos are on a bunch of different posts, and inappropriate comments on the forum. I'm sorry but... WTF is with that? Anyway, this comment was not meant to put anyone down, and I apologize if this could be taken the wrong way.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 11:44 GMT
Huh, wonderfully said in certain parts of that moon:)

@Abister, r u fucking kidding me? Since when r u even involved n all this?


Its like highschool drama exept on a forum meant to share and HELP the community. Everyone picks the group their gonna b in and when drama hits they get on their high horse. Then theres the ones that just voice their opinions and dont have a group, theres the ones that flame the situation to keep it interesting so that the "excitment"(AKA: fuck ass drama) can stay alive. Theres ones that watch and dont give a damn or do anything. So theres several groups to choose from and from what i've seen i can easily place moon, eric, ace, kruncher, oinky, abister, ender, dogwalker, monkee, lavalamp18, myself and a few others n categories. I wont do it now cuz that may start up yet another drama skit and we dont want that do we? Have fun:)

-Kiaree14
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 11:58 GMT
Oh and thank you Eric:)
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 12:21 GMT
Abister. Let's be real. You have three options:
- No me and thus no game. Eric can't go it alone same as I couldn't without him.
- Me, but no you. And maybe no "other people" either.
- You and me together on the game. ie you grow up a bit and read what Eric said about this "hacking."

So, you tell me which one is the least selfish and best for all of us? Yep, call me a hypocrite, that's fine.

I'll take it upon myself and apologise for the angry comments already thrown at you by "my supporters." If we all manage to avoid getting emotional we can avoid a fight. :)
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 19:26 GMT
Yeah I need to grow up.

No. I refuse to play a game where the lead programmer hacks and destroys another. You guys are lucky that you have so many suck ups to back you up. What you have done here has been immature, childish, and, I can't believe I am saying this, troll-like.

You are no longer welcome here. Get out.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 19:26 GMT
Yeah I need to grow up.

No. I refuse to play a game where the lead programmer hacks and destroys another. You guys are lucky that you have so many suck ups to back you up. What you have done here has been immature, childish, and, I can't believe I am saying this, troll-like.

You are no longer welcome here. Get out.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 19:37 GMT
"No. I refuse to play a game where the lead programmer hacks and destroys another."

He needs to get out? Ur the one who just said u refuse, so y dont u leave?
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 19:38 GMT
What the (in your own words) "fuck" do you think I'm saying?

I seriously don't understand how you rationalize what ACE has done. It's actually kind of scary how you think hard work = permission to do what ever the hell you want.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 19:42 GMT
"You are no longer welcome here. Get out."

Oh idk...
Look im not looking to argue with anymore players but ur making no sense. Ur saying that ur leaving yet telling ace to get the hell out. I understand y u would think that but once u understand the WHOLE thing then maybe it'll change. Ur choice whether to listen to me or not, i dont care but im dont with all the bitching and complaining, its getting old.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 19:43 GMT
Could you type like a human being so we can tell wtf you're saying?

The way you justify ACE's actions is actually quite alarming. With your logic Hitler is OK with the holocaust, 9/11 wasn't a problem, and every criminal to ever exist should be set free.
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4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 19:47 GMT
@Eric: With your logic, Vice President Joe Biden could kill a thousand english people, but because he's such a good VP, he should not be evicted from office.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 20:03 GMT
Wonderful, now we know what you think about 24/7. Why do you have to be so illogical. Your comparing a mishap from a game to situations that effected lives all over the country/world. Sad.

Ace isnt threatening lives or killing people. Hes not threatening humanity or going to destroy the world so get off your high horse and chill. Is that english enough for you?
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Re: My Address to Mars
8 hours - 627v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 21:29 GMT
So I'm going to tell you something that I told Cyberic earlier (nickname, fuck you, I use them): people like Abister have a RIGHT to be pissed off. ACE did a bad thing. I don't care who you are, bad things don't just get excused. He hacked the game, may not have caused as much grief as kruncher did, but he also CHASED OFF A RESPECTED MEMBER OF THE GAME. Now, I'm not going to lie, but when I was around, kruncher was this hardass who was always eager to make an insult. Sure he could be nice; the first day I met him, he told me he was having a bad day, but he was really chill about it. All my subsequent meetings with him, however, ended up with him getting angry and leaving, whether it was because people were typing too much or because I was performing poorly in dogfights. He was a dick, but he was the kind of dick you could put up with simply because he had his moments. That, and he was one of the best dogfighters in the game.

From my perspective (just coming in and having a conversation with both Eric and lavalamp), it looked like this was a personal endeavor by ACE to get rid of kruncher, or at least shut him up. And since there was no chance of the latter happening, the result was kruncher's departure. Now, I don't know ACE all that well, and I'm sure I'm going to get negative feedback for what I'm gonna say next, but lavalamp was telling me and Eric about how much of a dick ACE was NORMALLY. One quote that I can specifically remember lava saying about ACE was as follows: "It's almost impossible to have a rational conversation with him. I've tried and failed many times." Of course, this may just be someone else's opinion, but if it's really that bad, then it's just as bad as with kruncher, if not worse. He's like Steve Jobs. A massive dick, but without him, Apple wouldn't exist. Now, ACE isn't THAT important, but the game won't really work very well without him unless Eric could manage to find a new guy. The chances of that are almost naught.

Honestly, I'm in favor of Terrium. I think that it could be a great follow-up to Mars Explorer. But with this kind of atmosphere surrounding it, I just don't think it will work without some divine intervention.

MAKE THAT PHONE CALL, BUB.
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Re: My Address to Mars
3 hours - 275v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 22:00 GMT
BUT KRUNCHER GETS EXCUSED?!?! Your f****** kidding me!!!!
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 22:09 GMT
Kruncher has tried his best to keep this game and its forum orderly and clean with the limited powers Aubrey has given the moderators.

Yes, he may have made some bad decisions, but I believe hacking a game is far worse than anything Kruncher has ever done.
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Re: My Address to Mars
3 hours - 275v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 22:25 GMT
How many times must this be repeated... Ace apologized and doesn't do it anymore. Kruncher left and didn't face the facts that what he did was wrong too. This isn't the first time mars has been "hacked." I recall another time when it happened and people were easy to forgive.

Your kidding me if you say things are different now.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 22:50 GMT
Eric said ACE continues to. I'm sorry if you over read that bit.

"(_ACE_) has chosen to continue hacking, which disappoints me, but is his rightful choice."

No sign that he has stopped. Also, I wasn't here for the last time Mars was hacked, so I wasn't there to give my input. And I do not believe it was any of the developers that did it, either. So yes, this is much different because ACE is expected to have a higher moral standard than he has displayed.
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Re: My Address to Mars
3 hours - 275v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 22:54 GMT
Well, then I have accidentally read over that. I apologize for that. But my statement still stands.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/24 - 0:29 GMT
Things ARE different now.
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Re: My Address to Mars
3 hours - 275v
Posted 2013/09/24 - 21:03 GMT
PROVE IT.

I don't see it. People act like a friend on the forum, but as soon as you get on the game, people talk about you. Why do you think no one wants to play the game? Why do you think people are leaving?...

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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/24 - 21:13 GMT
Drama...accusing...losing patients...fed up with it all...bored with the same argument...


My point:

NOTHING NEW!!!! It happened n the past and its happening now, go figure
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Re: My Address to Mars
8 hours - 627v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 3:16 GMT
Last time, it wasn't a dev. It was a member of the Mars community who decided to go renegade, as opposed to someone that people were expecting great things from. Instead of a big surprise, it was a massive disappointment.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 21:57 GMT
@Kiaree: I forgot you guys are the kings and queens of ignoring points and spinning words. Let me phrase this in a way were you can't misinterpretate it:



Just because someone is good at one task does not give them the right to do what ever they want.


In this case, _ACE_ is a good programmer. That does not give him the right to hack another game, especially when that game is the parent of the game he is currently developing.

My comparisons were made to demonstrate how rationalizing his actions the way you have been is irrational. Just because he works hard developing Terrium does not give him the right to hack Mars Explorer.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/24 - 0:08 GMT
Do you think i'm 3? Thank you for taking your time to write that but sadly i already saw that point 2 hours ago. I've seen many sides to this and it's not hard to understand what you say, at all actually. God i could shoot some things your way but i'm going to for the sake of this whole thing.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/24 - 0:28 GMT
lol I have nothing to say to that
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Re: My Address to Mars
2 days - 4,338v
Posted 2013/09/23 - 23:39 GMT
Personally, I believe that there should have been consequences for ACE. However, I am not in a position to do that, and I respect Eric's ability to administrate his own development team. I do think this is getting a little bit out of hand. We should all just stop bickering and maybe every once in a while just PLAY THE ****ING GAME. Seriously. This forum is for people to congregate around a game which we all love playing. That's why I joined, and probably all of you, too. This is NOT a forum in favor of hacking said game, nor is it a forum in which we decide on penalties for said hackers. Also, on another note, is anyone noticing a parallel here? "Punish the hacker or I don't remove the spam," and "Defund universal health care and we shut down the entire government." I am not saying which side of either of those above issues I endorse, if at all, but still. If we're going to argue, please do so respectfully and either on PMs or in the General Discussion Thread.

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Re: My Address to Mars
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/09/24 - 0:03 GMT
Move on. ACE hacked. Terrium is probably dead. Mars is dying. Join the mars skype group, play for fun. This sheer anger I am viewing is amazingly awful.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/24 - 0:16 GMT
Alright, lets start now:) im not allowed skype so this is all i got but i'm so done with this. terrium is being worked on, its going slow for reasons that may b said later by the creator(s) themselves. And ya know mars didnt have to die, we're gettin some newbies, lets teach them how to play and the fun in it. They're the future for mars, we all cant stick by it for the rest of our lives. Old players are coming back, welcome them back:) if they want to know wat happened then briefly explain but dont get them involved or put all the drama on their posts. Lets just leave this whole thing be. No offense but this is literally almost if not worse than the "Ecto schandle" i've tried SO hard not to bring that up but ya know its the same, a player does something and when that player admits it we STILL frown and STILL accuse them. Just let this whole thing go, if u havnt noticed...the more we hold onto this, the more players we're losing. Good players if i might add. Now i dont know all of them and i know that they might not b fond of me but we want the same thing...this to all end. So lets make it happen starting now.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/24 - 0:32 GMT
I still think it's ironic how the guy who is taking a 4 month break from programming Terrium programs MarsHax.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2013/09/26 - 18:30 GMT
@Panzer - "play for fun"? And how am I to do that, Panzer? Funny stuff. A Skype group? How about, no?
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Re: My Address to Mars
1 day - 4,967v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 1:09 GMT
So I came on this post and I see, immediately, "Ace hacked legally"
 
 
So can we all assume that what Eric wrote is complete Buuuullllshiiiiiitt *we got a winner!*
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 1:43 GMT
Exactly. This post basically says "ACE's hacking was bad. But this doesn't represent or affect Terrium in any way, so everything is A OK!"

This makes perfect sense because this game is obviously Terrium and everyone here is for Terrium and everyone wants to play Terrium and Terrium is the best Terrium and Terrium is all that Terrium matters Terrium Terrium is the light Terrium is heaven Terrium is good 
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Re: My Address to Mars
8 hours - 627v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 3:00 GMT
... go to bed...
You say you honestly can't see why any rational person would play Terrium. You call this post rational? I can forgive Mad, he's always been extremely shortsighted and kind of insane (hence his name), but you seem like you might know what you're talking about once in a while. but there IS a reason that Eric wants to keep him in. Despite even Eric's own dislike of the guy, he's the only one that the poor dude knows who can actually MAKE the game. Do YOU know anyone who could or would do it? I know someone who COULD, but they're far too busy to actually do it. I'm not defending ACE in the slightest; in fact, I wish he WAS off the development team of Terrium. But unless he REALLY fucks up (In a defy-the-Cybermen type way), then he's staying until it's finished.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 3:33 GMT
So if Barack Obama went on a killing spree in England, since he's the best guy to run the country, would you not evict him?
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 3:40 GMT
Huh its ironic how once this starts simmering down abister comes out of nowhere. Same with MAD. No offense to either of you but abister seriously? I know u know better than this.
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4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 6:01 GMT
Tell your friend to stop puppeteering and to get on his own account. I can't take anything you say seriously.
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4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 12:27 GMT
Doesn't suprise me much
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Re: My Address to Mars
8 hours - 627v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 18:34 GMT
Yes, I'd evict him. Then, I would find someone else out of the MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of people in the US to do his job. Eric, unfortunately, doesn't have that option. He has ACE... and no one else that he knows of. If YOU can find someone, then maybe you could hook him up. As it is, ACE is the only one Terrium's got.

P.S. I'm going to ignore Mad because his posts are irrational and intent on stirring up flame. If he stops being irate and, well... MAD, then maybe I'll respond to his comments. This is a message to you all, by the way. Unless you want another flame war, ignore posts made of pure hate like Mad's are right now.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 18:40 GMT
May i add that abister isn't much help to this situation either?
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Re: My Address to Mars
8 hours - 627v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 19:11 GMT
No, but he's making good points that I can work with, rather than posts filled with irate, mad accusations and flame. He's making sense, stating his opinion and arguing his case properly. In other words, he's being mature. Might I add, you haven't been all peaches and roses either. You are extremely biased, almost to the point that I think you are defending ACE himself rather than Terrium as a whole. You've had your fair share of hate in your posts, and you've made less sense in your posts than Abister has. You all seem to be missing the big picture here.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 19:57 GMT
Joe, I don't know who you are or where you came from, but I must say this:

You have restored my faith in this community.

Thank you. 
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Re: My Address to Mars
8 hours - 627v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 20:30 GMT
Read my post, then you'll know who I am and why I came back. Not where I came from though.
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Re: My Address to Mars
8 hours - 627v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 20:30 GMT
This is a duplicate.
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Re: My Address to Mars
8 hours - 627v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 20:30 GMT
This is also a duplicate. One thing, you folks. I see you on the forums quite often, but never on the actual game. My question to you: what are you doing here when you could be playing the video game, teaching noobs how to play in Sv3n's stead? I'm merely here to attempt to restore order to the community. It doesn't mean I can't play the game. So how come I never see any of you online?
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Re: My Address to Mars
1 day - 4,967v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 13:22 GMT
I see, Joe
 
 
The fact that he is our only hope gives him the right to do what he wants. 
 
 
F*ck that. Screw Eric and screw ACE. Mars was fine without them. Will it be fine in the future? No. Terraium will come out and we'll play that. But Eric and Ace hacked mars...AGAIN. Who knows? They'll might hacked Terrianium when it's done.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 20:23 GMT
Im defending both. I have my reasons joe
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Re: My Address to Mars
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 21:35 GMT
Eric has no part in this.

The fact that he's our only hope does not give him the right to do whatever he wants. We have no way to punish him, only disapproval. What Ace did was wrong. But he's really the only person good for the job on Mars, unless you know of someone of his talent and skill.
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Re: My Address to Mars
1 day - 5,491v
Posted 2013/09/29 - 8:56 GMT
Wrong, he's not our only hope. He's a possibility at the present time. But if we do what is more important than making a new game - i.e. keeping this community alive and well - then eventually someone else will rise. Eric's a "New Hope", but he won't be the last.
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Re: My Address to Mars
3 hours - 275v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 21:26 GMT
Why are you taking this out on Eric, too?

I defend both Eric, Ace, and Terrium. I do agree that Ace has done wrong, but as Eric said, it isn't illegal. It IS up to Aubrey.
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Re: My Address to Mars
8 hours - 627v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 21:39 GMT
Don't defend ACE... don't be that guy....

You can justify Kruncher being a dick. He was always like that, and being a moderator just made it more stressful, making him even more of a dick. He was paranoid. But you CAN'T justify ACE hacking. That's just not something that people try to get behind. If you're defending ACE's position as developer, fine. But don't defend him as a person, because that person is nowhere near the best of humanity. He would have most certainly killed the Silurian.
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Re: My Address to Mars
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 22:08 GMT
You can justify Kruncher being a dick, but you can't justify Kruncher being unreasonable and illogical. Doing the things he did is bad, and Kruncher being a dick isn't too big a part of it. Ace would have shot the Silurian indeed, but Krunch would have fixed the drill and said "All systems go!" Krunch would have pushed the Doctor out of the bus as soon as the Entity started repeating only what the Doctor said.

Krunch is paranoid, and that's just as inexcusable as Ace being extremely emotionally immature with anger and impulsivity issues, perhaps moreso because Krunch doesn't seek treatment and Ace does but doesn't receive it.

I don't think we should defend Ace, but we shouldn't defend Krunch either. EDIT: I thought of a better analogy for Ace for you though! Ace is the Time Lord Victorious. This fits SO WELL I can't even like explain how amazing it is. Ace is the Time Lord Victorious!
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Re: My Address to Mars
8 hours - 627v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 22:31 GMT
I'm not entirely aware of what Kruncher did. I mean... no seriously. What did he do? I've only been here four days.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 22:35 GMT
He did his best to moderate both the forum and the game with the tools he had. Moderators don't have power in the game, so he had to find other ways to try to stop the hacker. And the method he chose happened to be related to blackmail. 
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Re: My Address to Mars
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 23:03 GMT
Flamed a lot of people, refused to take down comments that spammed the site (Monkee and Oinky) because it punished the community for being bad, perpetuated the rivalry for many months that led to this (although I blame Ace for hacking, not Kruncher, that's his own fault), started taking down Terrium posts and putting blame on Ace for it (because I try to be consistent with my opinions, I blame Ace for hacking and Krunch for taking down the posts), throwing accusations left and right, stalking people, revealing personal information of people without permission. Another problem other people have with Kruncher is making me a mod of Cre's by proxy

That's the slightly longer version of what Abister said. The biggest ones, IMO, are perpetuating the rivalry (which doesn't sound as bad as it is) and blaming Ace for taking down Terrium posts. Would anyone else like to help explain what he did in case I missed anything?

Ace is Time Lord Victorious, eh? Eh? Eh? No? *sigh*

Meanwhile, in reply to this, I want you to rationally explain what exactly it is that Ace did.
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Re: My Address to Mars
8 hours - 627v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 23:41 GMT
Well, he hacked, and his attitude sucks. That's all I'm aware of.

On a slightly different note: CHRIST. Honestly, all that sounds worse than what I know about ACE. I apologize for making assumptions and any posts I've made up to this point that put Kruncher in a more positive light than ACE. However, they are both equally at fault; Kruncher for being the catalyst to a massive explosion, and ACE for BEING that massive explosion. I can see clearly now. The rain is gone. I can see all lobsters in my way.
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Re: My Address to Mars
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 23:57 GMT
And yet Ace also perpetuated the rivalry. It's his fault too for that. His attitude sucks, he's incredibly rude to a lot of people (everyone who disagrees with him). I ultimately blame Ace for this whole hacking ordeal. What Ace has done:

-hacked games with hosts' permissions (not morally wrong)
-hacked games without hosts' permissions
-logged the chats in the games he's hacked, whether they've known it or not
-perpetuated the rivalry and flamed a bunch of people
-attempted to blackmail me
-un-passworded passworded games and left them un-passworded, not letting the host change the setting
-flamed a bunch of people

Ace's side is no better, and I consider it worse than what Kruncher has done.
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Re: My Address to Mars
3 hours - 275v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 22:18 GMT
Don't tell me not to defend someone, just because you have a different view! I am not justifying Ace's hacking. I know it was wrong. But he stopped and apologized.

Yes, I am defending his position as a developer. I will defend him as a person, because HE IS A PERSON! You will not dehumanize him, just because he made a mistake and your so called buddies and you don't like it. What does being human or humanity have to do with this at all?

You act like it is oh so sickening... would you compare this to the same amount of sickening as someone trying to have role play sex on here?... Oh, I got you on that one. Of course not.

By saying he is absolutely nothing is bizarre. By saying he amounts to nothing, especially a human being, shows that you are not a human either. That was COMPLETELY uncalled for.

All of us are taking this situation WAY too seriously. We are not even paying attention to what were saying.

I defend who I want to defend, regardless of whatever you and your friends are saying and thinking. That, my friend, was low.
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Re: My Address to Mars
8 hours - 627v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 22:44 GMT
I never said he amounts to nothing. You clearly didn't get my reference to Doctor Who. Sorry, didn't think when I made that post, you may have taken it the wrong way. If he amounted to nothing, why is he the lead programmer to Terrium?

SPOILERS PARAGRAPH: In Doctor Who, there is an episode where an alien (not really an alien, but an ancient Earth-born reptile thing who's civilization was hibernating underneath the Earth until a drill disturbed them) that was captured by the humans after it's race took two of their own. The Doctor goes down under the Earth to try to make peace with them, and tells the humans that they must be the best of humanity, that they must not harm the Silurian (what they were called) in any way. One of them threatens the Silurian because she's insecure and scared and wants to know where the Silurian's taken her son, but this particular Silurian wants to START a war, not prevent it, and taunts the poor mother into shooting her. This is disappointing to the other two humans on the surface and the three humans, the Doctor, and the Silurian civilization under the surface immensely, proving that the humans are not ready for a planet co-inhabited by Silurians and humans alike.

Kruncher may be just as bad, if not worse. I don't know, I don't know much about what he did. Being human, if you do watch Doctor Who, is having the capability to make mistakes, feel bad (or good) about them and whatnot. Neither Kruncher nor ACE ever apologized, so clearly, they make more mistakes than the best of humanity.

And I'm sorry, it's not my place to tell you who you can and can't defend. First mistake all week. It just proves that I'm human. I think we can put our differences behind us.
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Re: My Address to Mars
3 hours - 275v
Posted 2013/09/26 - 0:28 GMT
I have never seen a single episode of Doctor Who, so I had no idea. I don't really watch any tv, movies, or anything on the internet anymore. I'm way too busy to do anything for myself anymore.

It's fine, though. We all make mistakes. EDIT: Lol, I love the sound clip.
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Re: My Address to Mars
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 23:07 GMT
Watch The Hungry Earth and Cold Blood from Doctor Who Series Five on Netflix. Trust me. Just do it. :)
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 23:11 GMT
Agreed. Who made ANYONE on here in charge of whom we defend? Well i certainly dont see anyone worthy enough to say it and actually have the respect of someone listening. This has gotten far to out of hand. Hatred, lack of maturity, and great amounts of stupidaty brought this WHOLE thing into play. Well now its time to stop playing and focus on what really matters. The hacking has stopped.....AND YET HERE WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just let it go! Yes it was a selfish act, yes it was done by a well known and semi-trusted player for some. Ace may have lost some players trust but can non of you see how many people are asking or demanding this whole situation to be over with? LISTEN TO EACH OTHER! Stop fighting and turning against friends. Yes we all may have diff opinions but we are a community, lets either drop this whole thing or just work it out. Actually stop and hear both sides without freaking out or arguing. And yes i'll admit that i've been put over the edge a bit with this whole thing, i'm sorry if i targeted anyone. I'm just asking that we let this go, let Terrium continue it's slow course for the future of mars and actually enjoy the once loving game we all knew. I'm asking....please.

-Kiaree14
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Re: My Address to Mars
6 days - 11,359v
Posted 2013/09/25 - 23:59 GMT
Eric u state that you and ace work together - yet from my knowledge you just tell him what to do with little work put into the actual programming itself? I say ace stays int he team because withought him the progress of terrium would crumple to bits.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2013/09/26 - 7:07 GMT

@Cyber - How much moderator work you have performed for your "dearest martian community" in the last few months? Or, did you only restore posts that help you?

 

"Dearest Martian community" indeed.

 

 

 

Now, regarding accusations of my wrong-doings during the spam attack.

 

Who here tried to subvert my so-called criminal actions by contacting another mod to help by Skype? Kik? PM? email? No? No one? You did however take the time to blame me, as if I had posted the spam myself. That's not very supportive now, is it?

 

 

 

Who here tried to contact the person who's actually responsible for this website? Just me? I see, then. So, no admin support here and kruncher is basically treated as your incompetent parent that got your sandwich order wrong. Shame on me?

 

 

 

Has anyone here thanked Picard for deleting the next wave of spam? No? Just Sv3n and myself thanked him? I see. Maybe spam isn't as important as some of you claim unless it's another opportunity to gang up on kruncher.  Ahh now, we're getting somewhere.

 

Yeah, I'm editing my comments. It's everyone's right to do so. Too bad.

 

And lastly, I offer you all a screenshot to view. It shows what my mod interface looked like during most of the spam attack. I would be very appreciative if someone could show me what buttons I was supposed to push to manage 100% of the spam.

 

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Re: My Address to Mars
4 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2013/09/26 - 8:01 GMT
Damn kruncher, that [was] a masterpiece.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/26 - 17:30 GMT
Indeed it is.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/26 - 17:14 GMT
@Everyone: Before you start saying "OMG KRUNCHER YOUR SUCH A DICK OMG GET OUT," ask yourselves this: what the hell would you have done if you were in Krunchers shoes, with both a forum and a game in ruin? Moderators only have the power to hide posts on the forum, and from what I hear, that can't be done without JavaScript enabled.



Also, ACE, use your own account please! Kiaree isn't your bitch.... 
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/26 - 17:24 GMT
Shut the hell up abister. Im not his bitch
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/26 - 17:29 GMT
Exactly! Why do you let him take over your account? You don't HAVE to let him do that! Change your password!
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/26 - 17:57 GMT
He hasnt. Abister everything i've said is from me, not him. How long have u thought he was using my account? The only thing that i havnt dont is PM u so if my account has then yes hes gotten into it but otherwise its all me.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/26 - 18:17 GMT
You admitted to posting for a friend yesterday. : P 

Look, we will forgive you if you change your password and evict him. Puppeting through another person's account is far worse than creating some new guy. You don't have to do everything he says, you know. The only person that looks bad here is him.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 9,099v
Posted 2013/09/26 - 18:45 GMT
Yes, i was posting for a friend. The "friend" was someone whom im in touch with excluding through PM.

Forgive me? I didnt do anything wrong. I said it, not ace or anyone else.
And i dont do everything he says, i do have a mind of my own ya know. I say my opinion, he doesnt say mine. My account has not been used by any other person so u can get that out of your head right now.
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Re: My Address to Mars
8 hours - 627v
Posted 2013/09/26 - 18:53 GMT
And I thought you'd seen the light....

Obviously, you still haven't gotten the big picture. In fact, I think the only one here who really understands might be Ender. Kruncher, though he may not have directly caused the bomb to explode, certainly instigated it. He shares almost as much fault in this as does ACE.

Is it so hard for you to understand that? He's not innocent. In fact, in his post he DIRECTLY STATED that he enjoys the flame on this site. That makes him little better than Mad, a guy who only returned for the drama and flame. I'm not going to tell you you're shortsighted, but I'm just surprised you are failing to see both sides of the argument.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/26 - 22:05 GMT
Of course he instigated it! 

Sheesh, and you gave me hope for a while there. I thought there may have been another player who didn't assume things about other players, but I guess I was wrong.
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Re: My Address to Mars
8 hours - 627v
Posted 2013/09/27 - 0:57 GMT
"The only thing that looks bad here is him."

I figured you weren't seeing kruncher as someone who looked bad. You sure as hell sounded like you were implying that ACE was the only one. If I was wrong, then I'm sorry.

God, now I remember why I used to stay away from community forums. There's always this one massive argument that you go into, feeling like you already understand everything, and you type a few good posts. Then you get into the argument, and soon start making idiotic assumptions. This, in turn, almost always leads to you looking like a huge dick in front of everyone else.

I will say this, though. You assume things about other players as well, notably Kiaree. You've continuously made the assumption that she's not speaking of her own accord, when she very well may be.

I'm going to be gone for the majority of the weekend. That may give me time for my head to cool down. When I come back, hopefully I won't be making insults. They're turning me into the very thing which I've been seeking to end on Mars: they've made me biased.
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Re: email sent sep 9
4 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2013/09/26 - 18:01 GMT

email sent sep 9


Aub'z, some of us diehard members would really like to see the site survive in order for it to thrive again some day. The spam is kluging some entire page UIs and if it stays, I believe other spammers will consider it as open territory.

If you would please take some time to:

1) Appoint trusted, willing members (Ender) and (Sv3n) as mods

2) Deactivate (kruncher) 's mod ability - It's been an honor but I simply can't take it anymore.

3) Delete some of the heavy spam-my hide button jumps away from my cursor and some pages take minutes to load

4) Consider doing something about (Monkee) spam account and accounts associated with Monkee IP if no proxy was used.
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Re: My Address to Mars
6 days - 11,359v
Posted 2013/09/27 - 1:55 GMT
lmao woah woah woah kruncher if anything ace is meh biatch!! u know that for a fact... ;)
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Re: My Address to Mars
8 hours - 627v
Posted 2013/09/26 - 18:43 GMT
I'll tell you what I WOULDN'T have done. I wouldn't have blackmailed other users, pointed fingers at innocent people, been a massive dick to everyone, used massive amounts of hatred in my posts, harbored resentment for the Terrium project and its admins (regardless of what they said or did), defiled the project's forums and blamed it on one of it's own developers, nor would I have riled that same admin up to the point that it may possibly have caused him to hack Mars. Yes, ACE's mistakes were just as bad, if not worse, but that doesn't make what Kruncher was doing right. No, I didn't witness anything that happened, I only just returned. But I remember Kruncher's attitude when I played; he hated it when people typed in-game, and his attitude SUCKED, as did his judgement. Back then, though, I had respect for him simply because he was a good player and an upstanding member of the community. But after what I've learned about him recently, I've lost much of that respect. Not all of it, mind you, but quite a lot.

What I WOULD have done was listened to the community of Mars; I would have allowed them to give me advice, and I wouldn't have "punished" the community by leaving any amount of spam on the website for any amount of time. I wouldn't have gotten tired of an asshole's attitude and hacking, because I wouldn't have associated with him when I could avoid it. I would have been reasonable, and I would have tried to make good decisions, not ones that I knew would degrade the community as a whole. In short, I wouldn't have let my emotions gain control of my actions and words, something Kruncher's always done without hesitation. Telling people they don't deserve to call themselves human just because they don't post anything useful, telling them that the only reason their posts don't get hidden is because I "allow" them to stay, flipping shit because people want to be social in-game and whatnot... well, it's clear to ME that the forums aren't a safe place to be social. My point: I wouldn't cause trouble or allow ACE to get to me. That way, I probably wouldn't even have to worry about the guy, and would only have to worry about the pricks who think it's funny to spam the site all to hell, in turn not only being better for my own image, but also being much more efficient.
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2013/09/26 - 22:03 GMT
I withdraw from this stupid war.

inb4 i get insulted for no reason whatsoever. 
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Re: My Address to Mars
1 day - 4,967v
Posted 2013/09/27 - 2:38 GMT
Eric eric eric. 
 
 
See everyone? He's hiding behing the scenes watching us tear each other apart.
 
 
Proof? Look at the above 100 comments.
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Re: My Address to Mars
2 minutes - 6v
Posted 2013/09/27 - 3:38 GMT
In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of some phony god's blessing, but because I am enlightened by my own intelligence. ~Aalewis
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Re: My Address to Mars
1 day - 4,967v
Posted 2013/09/28 - 3:43 GMT
lol so arrogant jeez, who are you and go away please?
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Re: My Address to Mars
2 days - 11,577v
Posted 2013/09/29 - 6:17 GMT
It's just an atheistic quote, no biggie. I don't see how it has to deal with your previous statement, though. . .
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Re: My Address to Mars
20 hours - 3,545v
Posted 2013/09/27 - 20:00 GMT
I like, how everyone here, is using somewhat big words, in an attempt, to sound more mature and forceful, while it's not working, it feels like, 14 year olds just discovering, thesaurus, .com. 
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2013/09/29 - 7:07 GMT
@Cyber - How much moderator work you have performed for your "dearest martian community" in the last few months? Or, did you only restore posts that help you?

"Dearest Martian community" indeed.

Now, regarding accusations of my wrong-doings during the spam attack.
Who here tried to subvert my so-called criminal actions by contacting another mod to help by Skype? Kik? PM? email? No? No one? You did however take the time to blame me, as if I had posted the spam myself. That's not very supportive now, is it?

Who here tried to contact the person who's actually responsible for this website? Just me? I see, then. So, no admin support here and kruncher is basically treated as your incompetent parent that got your sandwich order wrong.
Shame on me?

Has anyone here thanked Picard for deleting the next wave of spam? No? Just Sv3n and myself thanked him? I see.Maybe spam isn't as important to you as some of you claim. Unless it's another opportunity to gang up on kruncher. Ahh now, we're getting somewhere.

Yeah, I'm editing my comments. It's everyone's right to do so.

And lastly, I offer you all a screenshot to view. It shows what my mod interface looked like during most of the spam attack. I would be very appreciative if someone could show me what buttons I was supposed to push to manage 100% of the spam.

 

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Re: My Address to Mars
1 day - 4,967v
Posted 2014/02/18 - 14:24 GMT
"Technicqually speaking, hacking mars as _ACE_ did was acceptable"
 
 
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
Gtfo eric...
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Re: My Address to Mars
3 days - 9,368v
Posted 2014/02/18 - 14:43 GMT
Are you for real...
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Re: My Address to Mars
6 days - 15,269v
Posted 2014/02/18 - 16:05 GMT
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Re: My Address to Mars
5 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2014/09/08 - 0:46 GMT
I love you all and miss our endless hours spent playing and laughing together :)
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Re: My Address to Mars
4 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2014/09/08 - 20:56 GMT
Nice gravedig, bab'z! u mods are all corrupt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: My Address to Mars
12 hours - 1,500v
Posted 2014/09/09 - 22:11 GMT
Okay whoa. Drama between Ace Kia and Abister.

Thats real scary. welllllllllllllllllllllllll @Eric oh wow. I never knew this o.o  
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Re: My Address to Mars
17 hours - 1,449v
Posted 2014/10/04 - 0:12 GMT
            
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Re: My Address to Mars
2 days - 4,338v
Posted 2014/10/04 - 1:30 GMT
Literally no one has commented on this for almost a month.  I think you did the gravedigging on this one, mate.  :)
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Re: My Address to Mars
15 hours - 2,126v
Posted 2014/10/04 - 13:00 GMT
LOKI HOW DARE YOU ENTER THY REALM WITH OUT SAYING HI

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