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A upgrade of The Dude's posts
Submitted By Unknown on 09/03/02
 

Dear Aubrey + fellow Mars Explorers,

 

it seems as if everytime I warn some1 about Ip adresses they dont seem to know or to really care... so here is what an IP address by itself can do to u

 

 

1. If there is a criminal on this game, all he has to do is to click show IP addresses and he will get the correct IP of the host

 

2. Then the criminal (If he is experienced) can locate what server u r using and where, and if hes close by he might pop right next to u and point a gun at ur head (after injuring whoever is with u)

 

3. If the criminal is even more experienced, hell think of his friends and track down the times that some1 is hosting a server and might while ur outside ur house, kidnapp u (It has not happened yet on this game but it has happened on My Space, and there always is a first time)

 

4. so in conclusion, wat i trying to say aubrey is can u plz take that show IP addresses button off so the hosts of these games can b safe thnx u all for reading this post (sorry if i scared any1, im not saying that u cant play mars explorer bcuz thats ur choice if u want to risk ur life to play a game, im just saying to beware bcuz ur best friends might b actually criminals)

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4 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2009/03/02 - 10:31 GMT
Good job unknown!

 

Aubrey, please remove the see IP feature.
1 week - 22,204v
Posted 2009/03/02 - 11:40 GMT
Hmmm...I don't think this is QUITE as serious as you make it out to be. Yes, IP addresses can be tracked, but I think it's accuracy only goes to a certain extent. I asked Flyclub to do an IP track on me, it turned out a state over in a large city. I don't know what method he used, or if there are more accurate ways, I assume there are. I do not think Aubrey is that naive, if he thought there was an issue, he probably would not have added it. If I recall, only the host can see the correct IP the player has, and if you are that worried about it, you can get a fake IP.
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IP on here is kinda funny.....
6 days - 8,975v
Posted 2009/03/02 - 13:51 GMT
Yes, you can do this, depending on the IP, but when you really think about it, the IP doesn't do much, for it is not 100% accurate.

 

I'm guessing Aubrey "fixed" them, because they do not read perfect locations, some do, but most don't.
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if the IP feature is removed, i wanna know wh
5 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2009/03/02 - 14:14 GMT
if the IP feature is removed, i wanna know who the hell im talking to. i dont mean their names and address, i mean i wanna know what names they use, i wanna know when they use other peoples names, even in 1.9.4 it confuses people even without the parenthesis. i want a friend list as well as a block list and i want an individual block button on each persons name so i can block them from my servers. i dont want to play blindly and i dont want be taken advantage of more than i have been already. 
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Re: Internet Safety
2 weeks - 19,756v
Posted 2009/03/02 - 21:53 GMT
Unknown;
 
I appreciate your concerns, but I don't think you are rationally evaluating the security tradeoffs of the "show IPs" feature.
 
In order to find the street level address of someone's computer based upon their IP address, you will nearly always need to get a court order to force their ISP to give you the information.
 
Thus, being able to see the IP addresses of other players is a security feature - as it allows you to determine to some degree who you are playing with, and report them to their ISP if they are being unruly.
 
Your IP address is already being shared every time you send an email or browse a webpage. If that bothers you, I highly suggest that you learn about high anonymity proxy services.
 
I am certainly open to correction - I would be glad to remove the feature if someone can demonstrate why it does more harm than good - but it looks to me like removing this feature would make the Mars Explorer community less resilient against bad players.
 
 
Babag;
 
Ban lists administrated by the server host are in the works...
 
 
 
All the best,
 
-Aubrey
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I agree. I want to keep track of who is cloni
5 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2009/03/02 - 22:42 GMT
I agree. I want to keep track of who is cloning me and my friends and who is running around with a smug smile while they take advantage of me and others daily and just cause a bunch of halabuloo. Would it be possible to ban someone even if their ip changes? If so, is it possible to keep track of them in the same way? I dont want their names, where they live, their e-mail, their address, none of that, i just want to know who is messing with me. 
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reply to Aubrey "Internet safety"
4 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2009/03/03 - 0:28 GMT
I have changed my mind on two things.
 
Aubrey, I have been weighing to pros and cons about the IP reading feature and  I totally get your point(s).
 
I won't share the specific reason that I decided I wanted the IP reading feature removed as it would help bad people to know it.
 
After some more thought, I agree with you and babaG.
 
I was also against a sever based ban list but, I have changed my mind on that too. There are simply too many players determined to ruin our playing experience so Ban List, YAY!
 
Aubrey, thanks for considering our well being and requests on safety and for being quick about scuttling personal photos and such. 
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I agree that it is dagerus to have the ip add
1 week - 27,777v
Posted 2009/03/02 - 22:42 GMT
I agree that it is dagerus to have the ip address thingie but like Baba said i kinda want to know if i am talkin to a friend or a cloner!
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not that it matters with proxies, anything is
5 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2009/03/02 - 22:46 GMT
not that it matters with proxies, anything is better than none though. 
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Re: Internet Safety
1 day - 2,262v
Posted 2009/03/04 - 6:50 GMT
ok really all i wanted was the IP taken off bcuz reasons im dont wanna post bcuz i might get myself killed warning others, but anyways, this is exactly how police find criminals online, + they could read the invisible numbers on ur cars (i bet u guys didn't know that lol) i dont mind having it at the start of the game and i know u meant for it to be for a good reason, and people really want to know who they r talking to but...... this game is not safe i must say..... I MAY QUIT PLAYING THIS GAME!!!!!!!!!!!! (this is not a threat to any1 F.Y.I.)
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Re: Internet Safety
5 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2009/03/04 - 13:17 GMT
you are being very paranoid. so long as you dont give out personal info, chances of you being injured are very slim. 
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Re: Internet Safety
5 hours - 592v
Posted 2012/01/12 - 19:44 GMT
Read Aubrey's comment, you need a COURT order. As in permission from a judge to get that sorto of info, try to track someone without it, and you will the 50+ mile radius they MIGHT be in.
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Re: Internet Safety
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2012/01/12 - 23:26 GMT
Easily taken care of with a nuke.
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Re: Internet Safety
1 week - 16,808v
Posted 2009/03/04 - 13:25 GMT
Hey guys he's just giving it to us straight.  I like honesty I already knew all that stuff brah but come on he's just trying to help.
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Re: Internet Safety
5 weeks - 32,767v
Posted 2009/03/04 - 16:57 GMT
OK you have one BAD idea on what an IP is, ips are not always accurate, and are only as precise as the city. Also no stalker in their right mind would just pop up and point a gun, they are far more sneaky and get you to come to them by your own will. this is why you never give out personal information, always assume they know your city, however they can not tell where your house is, and city is not always correct.
 
 
Ip addresses can be used to track the bad guys as well, and even report them, their advantage is also yours.
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Re: Internet Safety
1 day - 2,262v
Posted 2009/03/06 - 9:05 GMT
yes i just said that thnk u Fly Club!!! lol
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Re: Internet Safety
1 week - 31,391v
Posted 2011/08/29 - 9:10 GMT
BAM! Everyone should see this one
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Re: Internet Safety
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2011/08/29 - 15:12 GMT
Yeah, I agree.
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Re: Internet Safety
1 day - 9,357v
Posted 2011/08/31 - 2:30 GMT
errrrr... is that a $300.00 Lego set for your miniphoto? :D
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Re: Internet Safety
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2011/08/31 - 22:07 GMT
No, its $249.99. lol. Back to the subject of this post, even though its old, it is still a very good one deserving of its bam. People need to be aware of it, even though they may think "oh this is stupid."
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Re: Internet Safety
1 day - 5,985v
Posted 2011/12/21 - 23:01 GMT
This should be stickied.
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Re: Internet Safety
4 days - 13,245v
Posted 2011/12/21 - 23:12 GMT
Agreed.
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Re: Internet Safety
11 hours - 1,137v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 0:34 GMT
Hate to be yoshi, but use him to find grammar problems first. O.O
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Re: Internet Safety
3 days - 10,628v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 0:32 GMT
Do not gravedig
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Re: Internet Safety
5 days - 12,389v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 0:33 GMT
I should still be stickied
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Re: Internet Safety
3 days - 10,628v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 0:34 GMT
While it is a valid point, a sticky is something everyone should see.  This is something only Aubrey really needs to see.  Stickys are more meta than this is usually.
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Re: Internet Safety
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 0:34 GMT
I'm fine with gravedigging it.  Better to search for a topic than make a duplicate. This post proves a very valid point. Just be careful when gravedigging certain posts.
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Re: Internet Safety
1 day - 4,998v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 5:21 GMT
One person was killed because someone stalked them on MySpace.
 
More than 100 people die from car crashes every day in the US.
 
Do you drive? Probably.
 
It takes a lot more than an IP adress for someone to pop up next to you with a gun and kill you. The respect for safety is appreciated, but revealing an IP address is not that much of a danger.
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Re: Internet Safety
1 day - 5,985v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 5:22 GMT
I dont know Gub, more and more hackers are appearing here on mars.
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Re: Internet Safety
3 days - 10,628v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 12:45 GMT
Going from hacking to stalking and murdering someone is a massive stretch.
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Re: Internet Safety
5 days - 12,389v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 6:12 GMT
Gubby!!
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Re: Internet Safety
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 14:05 GMT
Just because a post gives a valid point does not mean it should be stickied.
A stickied thread should be a thread the players need to access regularly... This is a "one read post", by that I mean people will read it once then never take another look at it.
 
So no, this shouldn't be stickied.
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Re: Internet Safety
3 days - 10,628v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 14:36 GMT
Why are you not a mod?
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Re: Internet Safety
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 15:31 GMT
Awww thanks! You're the fourth person to have said something like that to me! :D
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Re: Internet Safety
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 19:43 GMT
Cav tends to say that about every valid post. In time, he/she will understand.
 
Btw, in my previous comment I had said this was okay to gravedig, not sticky. I didn't realize Cav's comment was also in reply to Bagel's comment.
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Re: Internet Safety
5 days - 12,389v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 20:23 GMT
DON'T CALL ME CAV. What comment????, and im a dude...
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Re: Internet Safety
3 days - 10,628v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 21:15 GMT
If cav is a part of your name, you really have no right to freak out about that.
 
Of course, you can politely request that he call you something else, and I'm sure he'd be more than happy to oblige..
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Re: Internet Safety
4 days - 13,245v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 21:19 GMT
Is this really necessary? -_-
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Re: Internet Safety
3 days - 10,628v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 21:20 GMT
It's been brought up multiple times now, so I would say it is.
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Re: Internet Safety
4 days - 13,245v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 21:24 GMT
Now all of a sudden it is necessary to you. I was right. You have to be told a hundred time and be told once more and then you get it. -_-
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Re: Internet Safety
3 days - 10,628v
Posted 2011/12/23 - 0:31 GMT
I have no idea what you are saying.  Elaborate please.
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Re: Internet Safety
1 week - 24,177v
Posted 2011/12/23 - 5:09 GMT
I just stuck a comment on Dude's "Guide to Mars Explorer" post with a link to this post.
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Re: Internet Safety
5 days - 12,389v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 21:28 GMT
huh?
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Re: Internet Safety
5 days - 12,389v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 21:27 GMT
                            -_-
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Re: Internet Safety
4 days - 13,245v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 21:28 GMT
Agreed, Temp.
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Re: Internet Safety
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2012/01/13 - 3:07 GMT
Is that temp, or a random dude?
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Re: Internet Safety
5 days - 12,389v
Posted 2012/01/14 - 18:46 GMT
@Panzer: Whaaaaaaat??
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Re: Internet Safety
1 week - 24,177v
Posted 2011/12/22 - 22:08 GMT
Compromise time: I'll put a comment on Dude's post with the link to this one.
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Re: Internet Safety
4 days - 13,880v
Posted 2011/12/23 - 1:44 GMT
This guy is overexagerating.. But yeah.
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Re: Internet Safety
1 day - 2,262v
Posted 2012/01/13 - 7:16 GMT
well, here it is all simplified
yes i know its almost guaranteed no one is going to stalk you from here
but the point of that paragraph was to show what could happen
and not act like the internet is a safe place
anyways heres the real thing

http://marsxplr.com/view-3948

unknown,
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Re: Internet Safety
4 days - 13,245v
Posted 2012/01/14 - 23:37 GMT
Nice!
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Re: Internet Safety
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2012/05/11 - 20:18 GMT
@Lamp: Please don't bam old posts for such useless reasons.
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Re: Internet Safety
3 days - 9,368v
Posted 2012/05/12 - 17:20 GMT
It's been a while since I seen this. I still think it's a nice post.
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Re: Internet Safety
4 days - 9,791v
Posted 2013/01/09 - 22:12 GMT
I have tried IP tracking myself, I just about got the timezone right.
 
What Aubrey said is true. Obviously.
 
If you're paranoid, you can always change your IP... etcetera... and if someone wanted to kill you that bad, I guess they'd track your phone - a simple virus will turn your gps on and send your position to someone. Or pay off someone at Google. blah blah blah....
 
If I knew the name of a computer (screenshots and videos will tell me that) and I was a hacker, (so I could find their pass out) I could log into it from anywhere on the globe.
Seriously - I could trip and break my skull open while texting. Someone could decide I'm a threat to US security and put the Impossible Mission Force on my tail. Stop living in the world of Batman, please.
 
And a note - any site you visit can also find out your IP. How many websites did you visit in the past five minutes????
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Re: Internet Safety
11 hours - 1,756v
Posted 2013/03/07 - 3:16 GMT
thats not the point, the point is that it is insecure. its a weak argument to say the whole internet is insecure so why be paranoid about mars, because the real argument is why not make mars safer.
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Re: Internet Safety
11 hours - 1,756v
Posted 2013/03/07 - 3:14 GMT
this is something i addressed two years ago but it was ahead of its time i suppose. i definitely hope this gets implemented in syn3h or mars explorer 3. its very dangerous, im surprised it hasnt been changed yet. the whole security system of this game is pretty weak right now as eric said, passwords are a text file and its just plain weak!
 
great thought here, i made this a sticky so that it will hopefully draw much needed attention and get fixed soon! (i cant help it if my fellow mods have different opinions and un-sticky it....)
 
all the best,
 
-Phen
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Re: Internet Safety
6 days - 15,269v
Posted 2013/03/07 - 4:45 GMT
We're well aware of this...we were hacked last year, in fact. One of Mars 3's priorities is improved security.
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Re: Internet Safety
2 days - 7,530v
Posted 2013/03/07 - 5:01 GMT
"Apperently there is a lot of confusion on what someone can do if they have your IP address. Well, they may be able to get a general area on where you live, but other than that they can not do anything as long as you are relatively secure. As long as you are behind a router, have a fire wall, or even anti-spy ware will make you safe, as well as a lot of other things. The only people who would take the time to crack any of that is in it for the money, and a LOT of money since it's illegal. (If they are this good and dedicated, they don't even NEED your IP address to hack you!) There is no reason to be paranoid that somebody knows your IP address. 

If someone knows you're IP address, it is impossible for them to hack you."
 
-Quote from Abister... 
 
 
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Re: Internet Safety
1 week - 32,767v
Posted 2013/03/07 - 15:11 GMT
Please stop abusing your mod powers. There are better threads than this for Internet safety. Stop re-sticking this after other mods take it down.
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Re: Internet Safety
11 hours - 1,756v
Posted 2013/03/14 - 14:45 GMT
10/4.
 
-CJR (Phen)

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